I agree with you (said earlier) that they need to pick a method and stick with it. For home protection, I like condition 3, chamber empty, full mag, and hammer down. de-cocking, lowers the hammer into the intercept notch with the de-cocking lever.with the hammer not resting on fp. Invest in a. A lightweight firing pin, and/or heavier firing pin spring, make the 1911 inherently drop safe. If you never use the decockers or the external safety on a DA/SA pistol, then it is exactly like a glock. Unfortunately, unlike the people of the old west, the APs & SPs would forget which way the cylinder turned and an AD was often the result. There is a means of releasing tension on a DA/SA hammer fired gun with decocker or no decocker or SA. Plus, the ability to ride the hammer when reholstering is very valuable to prevent negligent discharges if something is caught on your trigger. The grip safety is there for a reason, too. I dont get the hate for decockers Do people really not understand the point behind it? Sig P226 de-cocker | Firearms Talk That is, unless youre an operator operating operationally who raises his nose at anything that isnt a striker fired polymer wonder 9. With the underside of the crossbow facing your legs, place your foot far enough into the foot stirrup to keep it from slipping out when you draw the bowstring. Ergo, no patent issues. > de-cocker style operating systems suck. Quietly. To do this, fully open the lever and shove a cartridge in through the ejection port, bullet first. October 8, 2010 By Andy Loeffler filed under All Articles, Handguns, Self Defense Firearms. How do you de-cock a pistol. Considering companies like sig, Beretta, etc. If you carry cocked and unlocked (I.e. And the worst: I just do not understand the issue. Decockers have saved hundreds of police officers when their pistols were pulled from them by bad guys. This article is not only pure opinion, but a poorly informed and backed opinion. I have a Walther P99 AS with De-Cocker, which was the first I heard of the Device. Guide for proper pistol decock Maintain the gun's sight in a safe direction. Good info! Place your index finger on the trigger and squeeze it gently to fire a round. This writer submits that both should be used. We asked for, and discussed various mechanisms, and my primary goal was always the safest operation. Since it is a general safety precaution, this is the first and foremost crucial weapon safety regulation. The writer of this article is a complete moron. But ultimately I found that my own thumbs made it hard for me to work them easily. As I said above, if youre good with a DA/SA, youll be great with a quality striker-fired pistol. Follow through is squeezing the trigger all the way back and holding it. With no rationale to back up your claim that they suck, I can simply claim that they do not suck. The result was, in his opinion, that the first shot almost always missed and the second was often a negligent discharge. The basic idea that the trigger is so hard to learn that us stupids in public shouldnt even try and just buy a Glock. Its all about training and practice. Best handgun design ever: DA/SA, visible hammer, decocking lever. I am a novice with pistols. In short, if you decock your pistol and choose to leave the safety engaged, fine. There are some good DA/SA handguns out there and people that can use them despite what Cooper had to say. Just a bit too short I suppose. Both the 1911 and Hi Power use the single action/double action, cocked and locked style mechanism. Ill keep my DA/SA SRT trigger, thank you. With normal firing grip, shooter is unable to reach decocking safety. Shooters hand must crawl out of firing position so that thumb can operate decocking safety. Step outdoors: You don't want to operate a firearm for the first time in a closed space unless its a firing range. . Thumb, Thumb, Trigger, Thumb, Thumb, Down. trigger was safety enough to keep me out of trouble. Not. I love the Sig SP2022 I currently own and use at the range and along side the bed at night. Thumb under hammer. Your Glock sucking opinion is meaningless. Enter in your email and password to create a FREE account. Btw. Lovely gun for the transition. The pistol must never leave your sight. Think of it along the lines of S & W). Many arms were made to meet government contract specs to be sold The US specified a safety on the pistol or we would have had a US version of the Tokarev. Not sure how a striker over a hammer is going to make you a MUCH better defensive shooter. With proper safety precautions and simple guidelines, loading your pistol should be smooth sailing. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Frame-mounted decocker is placed within easy reach of shooters thumb. Anyway, it has a decock lever. Third? Be sure to remain people up-to-date similar to this. ^THIS SO MUCH! I much prefer it to using a manual safety, which can easily be forgotten.. Just point and click! Agreed! This is a very important instruction especially for new shooters. What a joke, you have no business teaching anyone about firearms. You are going to holster that? A failure to fire on the first shot is statistically not usually going to be a hard primer, its going to be a failure to fully chamber/lock or other shooter-induced problem. Not 1911 but thats a hard standard to achieve. I have no dog in this fight; decockers arent the best thing created for a gun, but theyre far from the worst. Also anyone who is good enough to compete will have zero issues mastering a double action first trigger pull. The last 15 percent feature other operating systems. The first pull will be stiffer, but thatwont matter much in a fight for your life scenario, and its only heavy on the first shot. It wasnt until a century later that the concept of training like Jerry Miculek so you can make 400 yard shots with a J-frame in DA with the pist ol held upside down and using your pinky finger on the trigger became a thing. Sorry, an error occurred and we could not sign you up. 35 Vis is captioned as Beretta 92F, hammer down, trigger forward.. but it was close to it and its been my best. So I respectfully disagree. The theme of this article is absolute bull$hit and written by another expert. I started shooting pistol competitions in the early 80s with a 1911 and later carried double/single autos in the late 80s until today with 5 years as a cop. The guy always had strong opinions and spread misinformation that in the pre-internet age could not be easily challenged such as his claim that the 1911 was designed to be carried cock and locked. My 1911s and Hi-Power had neither a double action mode nor a decocker, action of either is single action with safety. Is she single? Pistol Safety Flashcards | Quizlet Using the decocker takes the trigger from the light 4lb to a stiffer 9lb. in your name went missing due to sheer negligence and got misused, be prepared to face severe consequences. Model G decock only. Decades of (self) training left me with a revolver where I fired a couple shots (normally SA because it is FUN!) Take a look at the below steps to get started loading your pistol. You just point and shoot just like a glock. I heard about it, but AFAIK, mine was not on the list. If all you want is a heavier trigger pull to make negligent discharges less likely, get a Glock and install a NY-1 or NY-2 connector, and youre good to go. A DA/SA pistol does allow a heavier trigger pull on the first shot and some people want that. It has three positions: fire, safe, and decocker (which is momentary). My conclusion is they dont work well for people with small hands or a weak grip. Put aside all the fancy moves you may have seen in movies and let's dive in! This was my first handgun purchase and my only handgun for years. Firearms Flashcards | Quizlet The Dexx/Safety on your 3913 gives you an option of manual safety, if you want it. Only in SEA did we load with six. And once you do that, theres no reason to have the other modes available, unless you just like giving Murphy extra chances to screw with your life. The Decocker gives you more options. If there's a key to doing this, it's doing so slowly and carefully. The current standard issue and substitute standard pistols of the U.S. armed forces are double-actions with decockers, and they have long been popular with civilian users as well. Id say it makes the gun safer because you dont have to pull the trigger and then put the hammer down with your thumb when you want it decocked. I appreciate being ready to fire immediately, but I dont understand this entire long trigger pull is safety argument. The hammer is dropped whilst a firing pin block prevents said hammer from discharging the pistol. certified instructor prior to handling any firearm and be sure to read your owners manual. And now Ill ask you again for the list of professional trainers that endorse the carry of cocked and unlocked SA or DA/SA autopistols. That what the DS means. Now a decent DA revodlver isnt that hard to master at self defense ranges of <15 yards. Condition Three is hammer down on an empty chamber, with the magazine loaded and inserted. Practice makes perfect. Id never had a pistol like that before and, at first, thought it was pretty weird. Still have it to this day & will Love it to my grave. Decocker vs Manual Safety: Which Is Best? - USA Carry Options mean accidents (holstered cocked and unlocked? After the first shot, the slide will cycle and automatically cock the hammer for the next shot, resulting in a shorter, lighter second trigger press. Some people like Fords and some people like Chevys. Live The Armory Life. When the gun is completely ready to fire, it will not go off without a finger on the trigger. In addition to that, the grip fits my hand like it was made for it. As a recent convert from wheel guns I love my CZ! Without the added safety, it could have been disastrous. Except many of them, Glocks etc, are carried cocked and unlocked, since there is no safety. Oops, there's been an error. A repetitive passage here: Proper storage usually requires that the firing chamber be empty and magazine removed; this includes revolvers and semi-auto pistols. Its a lot better than a 1911 where you have to draw the hammer back before firing, or a Glock thats always at a 5lb trigger without any manual safety.