Stephen: Right. You take it back.. Stephen De Young and Ancient Faith Radio, Fr. Stephen: [Laughter] Because exactly the question you just asked. The Bible provides us with some similes pertaining to height. In the Orthodox Church, Greek is kind of our base language for theology and liturgy and so forth. Facebook Andrew Stephen Damick and Fr. Fr. Andrew: Okay, well, so related to that, actually, we have a caller. Father Stephen De Young's comments on political converts [Laughter] Go back where you came from. Andrew: [Scoff] Yeah! Fr. Andrew: Yeah, so he goes in, and he doesnt see an idol in there, and hes like: Well, what the heck? [Laughter] He actually busts his way into the holy of holies, so the Temple has to be reconsecrated. Instead of avoiding or invalidating problem passages out of discomfort, Fr. Stephen: Yeah, and St. Johns going to say this has happened. So the other goat is for Azazel. So it had this prominence beyond those other books. Fr. [Laughter] where it describes what Tubal-cain created. Andrew: Its a response. Stephen: No, it has nothing to do with that. And then, so the Israelites are referred to as sheep sort of all through the Old Testament, and their leaders as shepherds, because theyre these sheep who are now set free from Egypt and brought out into this new pasture, all of that symbolism. How do you do that? Andrew: Yeah, so you have two goats I suddenly remember that joke that goes around on Facebook: You have two cows and then it has this list of all these economic systems. Fr. I hear you. Fr. Mike Schmitz), Let's Read the Gospels with Annie F. Downs, Fr. You guys are all asking the wrong questions! Fr. Fr. It sounds like were FBI profilers. Andrew: Did you have a second question? They would all say: the gospel of John and the epistle. He wants them to repent of those sins and to be purified by his coming. Enter the email address you signed up with and we'll email you a reset link. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, all those technological advancements. Andrew in an outline group connected to the podcast group. Fr. Right. Andrew: Got you. Partially reviewing what the paper states about the Bible specifically. And he isnt told, Dont call unclean what Ive created, or Dont call unclean what I tell you is clean, but: Do not call unclean what I have made clean.. Fr. Stephen: I know you really want Goat Week to be a thing. Fr. Fr. Bible Hacking with Dr. Stephen de Young BibleHacking 496 subscribers Subscribe 3.1K views Streamed 1 year ago A LIVE discussion with Orthodox Biblical scholar Dr. Stephen de Young.. Fr. So, using the color scarlet, using this wrapped around language. Fr. The Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Name that word! About Fr. Yeah, thats not in the Greek. Fr. Fr. The poor goat. [Laughter]. Stephen De Young concludes Revelation, Chapter 9. The book is deeply scholarly and deeply spiritual at the same time. That might sound familiar to some folks who have read the book of Revelation, because this is exactly what happens to the dragon: hes seized by an angel, hes bound, hes thrown into a pit, hes kept there, and then on the last day hes released briefly and then thrown into the lake of fire. Just read the passage, and you can see that that stuff is just simply not there. Fr. Thats where the feast comes from, the feast of lights. Fr. As modern Americans, these are important questions. Fr. They werent like that. Stephen: Right, and this is the only sacrificial ritual of any kind in the Torah in which sins are placed on an animal. That perfect union thereby sanctifies, makes holy, purifies humanity in our basic composition. But, yeah, thats all based on a mis-translation. I dont say, I got up this morning and wrapped my clothes around me.. Its everybodys sins. By using our site, you agree to our collection of information through the use of cookies. So whats important here is just we need this blood from this goat, from this pure and blameless goat. As they well should! That doesnt make it not historical. As if. You can download the paper by clicking the button above. Im like: the rope thing is awesome! Fr. Fr. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Right, but what happens is, in sort of the symbolic mindhi, Jonathanof the Jewish people, sheep and lambs become associated with Passover. Fr. Photius Avant: I am. Im Fr. He holds a PhD in Biblical Studies from Amridge University and is the host of the The Whole Counsel of God podcast and co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast on Ancient Faith Radio. Fr. But Israel knows the Day of Atonement ritual. Well, like I said, it is Goat Week, and here at Goat Week weve got you covered. Fr. Stephen: [Laughter] So, yeah, how granular do I want to go? Athanasius the Great, St. Athanasius of Alexandriain his work, On the Incarnation. Stephen: Yeah, theyre going to cast lots, and ones going to go for one purpose and ones going to go for the other. [Laughter] So instead, now, this goat, this completely corrupt goat, has to go outside the camp, the city, outside, back out into the bad place, and its going to Azazel. Its never going to catch on. And he arguedone of his most prominent arguments that he repeated again again was that penal substitutionary atonement is the only theory of how it works that has a mechanism of how it worksthats his word. But the Bible indicates that the Nephilim reappeared after presumably being killed off in the Flood. But 1 John is actually the book of the New Testament that uses the actual word, ilasterion, atonement, most frequently. You wouldnt like it. AFP publications include: Stephen: You can read for yourself. Stephen: Right. Fr. We had the Sunday of the Last Judgment, so weve had goats on our minds. Fr. Journal of Biblical Literature 106 (1987), pp. Fr. Its just regular I mean, the tent-covering of the tabernacle was made from goat hair. [Laughter] But we did just have, or were going to talk about Matthew 25 in a second here. So lets talk about what St. John says about this. He is this desert spirit. So I mention all that because, as we read Scripture more and as we live the Christian life more, if we understand what it is that Christ is doing and how the Scripture tells us what hes doing, then that gives meaning to so much of our lives. Stephen: Yeah, which brings it to I give and I take away, and I gave you your OED, Fr. Fr. Stephen: Its important to cover that because reading a lot of things back into that word did not stop with the King James translators who were doing their best and sort of didnt know any better. It has this sort of importance as a major battle site. Fr. Andrew: And so he had to do some kind of ritual purification. Fr. The Very Rev. I always wanted to better understand it. Fr. This video is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. He is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog, as well as co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast. I liked the book, and I am so grateful for the discussions it has spawned within my own Orthodox congregation concerning the role of historical scholarship in interpreting Scripture. It may be the case that this scholarship does vindicate the claims of Orthodox Church, but much more work needs to be done connecting the dots. Stephen: And this corruption means, and brings these things under the power of, the hostile powers that dwell out in the wilderness or that rule over the nations that are at work outside. Stephen: He had to purify himself before he could come back into the camp. Fr. Andrew: There you go: the Day of the Covering. How could that have happened? But he does his complete English Bible, and he uses that phrase to one or one-ment, and then even at one point he uses at-one. And then it was in the 16th century, in the Tyndale Bible in 1526 that he actually standardizes this word to create this new word, atone, as both a verb and also a noun, so you get that at-one-ment, atone comes into being as an English word specifically for translation of the Bible. We dont know that there were any prayers said when it was killed. Andrew: [Laughter] That is true, but you cant have the parallel with Shark Week then. I dont think theyre such long questions. Andrew: All right, well, welcome back to the third half of The Lord of Spirits. Fr. Fr. On the Origin of Watchers: A Comparative Study of the Antediluvian Wisdom in Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions, The Antediluvian Origin of Evil in the Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions A Comparative Study, Response to Ken Ammi's review of my paper - "Were the Nephilim Genetically Psychopathic? Maybe Fr. And thats what described, like in Daniel, as the abomination of desolation, because it rendered Yeah, they couldnt use the Temple any more after that. So thats what this is about. Now, this doesnt mean, like, he was Santa, keeping a list all year, like the high priest was going around spying on people and seeing all the stuff they did and writing it down. Okay, all right, well then, well dip back into Hebrews which references all of this. Stephen De Young continues the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 13. Andrew Stephen Damick and Ancient Faith Radio, Dr. Jeannie Constantinou and Ancient Faith Radio, Fr. Stephen: So the name of this angel is Yahweh-God. Andrew: Yeah, Im not into that kind of thing at all. Stephen: Yeah Heres where I have to say thats a mis-translation. The Whole Counsel of God: An Introduction to Your Bible: Stephen De Photius, are you there? Stephen: But due to the frequency of the show, is it not actually Goat Fortnight? I am so thankful to have found this podcast, which is a wonderful resource on content and context! Other sacrificial rituals where you see the laying-on of hands, thats to designate the animal as a sacrifice. Stephen: This is like 25 pages of dissertation; I could just refer you back thereno. The fact that some of the most exciting work done in the Second Temple context to the New Testament is being undertaken by non-orthodox scholars like N.T. Send it out. Mahaksapatalika (Isaacs Jr.). Thank you so much! Hebrews 9: Likewise he sprinkled the tent and all the vessels used in the worship with the blood. You know who you are. I will not. Stephen: and now Im going to take away your KJV., Fr. Fr. Fr. That would have been a great quest line. Stephen: Yes, of material objects and physical space. Fr. On our next episode, were going to be starting a two-part series on sacred geography. I mean, is is a good goat and a bad goat? Fr. But hes appropriately describing it to help you make that connection, because what are the gospels? Stephen: I love it when a plan comes together. Stephen: Yes, involving metallurgy for weapons of war and those kind of things. I have this crazy new doctrine of God I want everyone to follow me on. But, yeah, theres this reference in 1 John 3:12, which makes reference of Cain being of the wicked one, who murders his brother. I know people are being moved to sympathy for the goat in all this. He preferred the terminology for the sacrament of the Lords Supper in order to present it as a meal,1 which he saw as standing in sharp contrast to the sacrificial conception.2 While Calvin himself consistently maintained that the Eucharist represented a real sacramental communion in the body and blood of Christ, this disassociation of sacrament and sacrifice led much of later Protestantism to reject even the sacramentality of the rite. Andrew: Yeah, and thenand heres the part that everyones waiting forthe goats. Father Stephen De Young's comments on political converts "If you're a high church Protestant, and your denomination starts ordaining women, and that's the only reason you're interested in joining the Orthodox Church, if they had never started ordaining women, you would have happily stayed there your entire life, you should not become Orthodox. The definition is not as simple as it may seem, since some may employ it metaphorically such as referring to a giant of industry. So that works is brought in there, that hes doing the works of his father, the evil one. This is Christ as being the goat for Yahweh. Andrew: Thank you very much for calling in, Dan. It not only leaves that reside and that taint within us, but within the people around us and in the actual, physical creation itself. Author: Fr. Stephen De Young - The Whole Counsel Blog Or a curse? That makes perfect sense. Dont trust me: read the Torah for yourself. Related Episodes Violence in the Old Testament: Sin, Death and Justice in the Bible Lord of Spirits: Blessings and Curses What exactly is a blessing? Andrew: That would be a long, long list. Stephens deep learning and years of study, not that the book is academic. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, Richard Rohlin, and Ancient Faith Radio. Andrew: Right! Fr. But if we understand it as covering, which is the perfect word, because were about to talk about what this actually does, but the concept is based on this idea that there is sacred space that has been set aside for the holiness of God to be present there with the people, but that the peoples sins interfere with that, that they actually stain the place.